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穿過黑暗的玻璃--Through a Glass Darkly

犹在镜中/穿过黑暗的玻璃(台)/在黑暗中穿过镜子

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導演: 英瑪柏格曼
編劇: 英瑪柏格曼
演員: 哈莉葉安德森 綱納‧柏恩史傅 麥斯馮西度 Lars Passgard
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2007-08-10 07:47:44

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151
00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,993
- I am an artist!
- An artist?
Yes, Princess!
An artist of the purest kind.
A poet with no poems,
a painter with no paintings...
- Musician.
- A musician with no tones.
I scorn the completed work of art,
the banal result of vulgar efforts.
My life is my work,
and it is devoted to my love for you!
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162
00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:01,317
A light sacrifice, my Princess.
For what is life to a true artist?
Thus you complete your work of art
and crown your love.
Thus you ennoble your life and show
the sceptics the power of a true artist.

Farewell, my friend.
Do not fail me.
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180
00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,551
I could of course write a poem
about the princess.
Paint a picture or compose an opera -
- although the ending
would be more heroic.
I enter oblivion.

Only Death shall love me.
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275
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,311
"Her illness is incurable..."
"...with temporary improvement."
"I have long suspected it, the certainty
is none the less almost unbearable."
"I'm horrified by my curiosity."
"By my urge to record its course."
"To make an accurate description
of her gradual disintegration."
"To use her."
========
414
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,753
This isn't easy to say...
- What's that?
- I turn away from 馬丁.
He calls out after me,
but I can't help him.
It becomes play-acting.
- Does he notice anything?
- I'm not sure.
I must choose between him
and the others.
I've made up my mind...
I have sacrificed 馬丁.
- Is all this for real?
- I don't know.
I don't know! I'm caught in the middle,
and sometimes I'm uncertain.
423
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,074
I know I've been ill
and that the illness was like a dream.
But these are not dreams, they're real.
They have to be real!
----
To me they're not real,
not in the least.
564
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,198
I've done worse than that.
Much worse.
I tried to resist,
but I couldn't get away.
I was forced to do it.

571
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,912
I just don't understand!

Try to stay calm, Karin.

And then the room
with the waiting people...
The good, light people
waiting for the door to open -
- for God to come to them.
But then the voices appear...
I have to do what the voices tell me.
I can't make sense of it all.
Is it really only my illness?
Dad...
It's so horrible to see one's own
confusion, and to understand it!
----
I want to apologise to you.
I've always had a guilty conscience
about you, so I've turned away.
It makes me sick to think of all the life
I've sacrificed for my so-called art.

585
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:34,680
When your mother died, my making it
as a writer meant more to me.
有點像我了, 每部bergman 的電影,不一樣的驚奇,fresh
591
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,189
You see, Karin...
One draws a magic circle
around oneself -
- to keep everything out
that doesn't fit one's secret games.
Each time life breaks the circle, the
games become puny and ridiculous.
So one draws a new circle
and builds new defences.

Poor little dad.

597
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,999
Poor little dad,
who has to live in the real world.
-==============
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,039
You're so quiet, almost hostile.
---
464
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,871
It's always about you and yours.

465
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,112
Your callousness is perverse.

466
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:10,596
"Record its course."
That's so typical...!

467
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,312
- You don't understand.
- No, I don't.
======================
462
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,715
And that I felt a strong urge
to record its course.

463
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,717
I can't put the blame anywhere else.
There is no excuse.

464
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,871
It's always about you and yours.

Your callousness is perverse.

"Record its course."
That's so typical...!

- You don't understand.
- No, I don't.

But one thing I do understand
- you're hunting for themes.

Your own daughter's mental illness.
What a great bloody idea!

- I love her, 馬丁.
- You "Iove"?

There's no room for emotion in your
void. And you lack common decency.

You know how to express yourself,
you always have the right words.

There's only one phenomenon you
haven't the slightest clue about - Iife!

You're a craven coward!

But in one particular you're a genius:
evasions and excuses.

- What do you want me to do?
- Write your book!

It might give you your heart's desire:
your artistic breakthrough.
Then you won't have sacrificed
your daughter in vain. And...

Go ahead, say it!

In your novels
you're always flirting with a god.

Let me tell you: Your faith and
your doubt are very unconvincing.

What is most conspicuous
is your inventiveness.

- Don't you think I know that?
- Why do you go on?

- Do something respectable instead.
- Such as?

Have you written one word of truth
in your life as an author?

- I don't know.
- See?

Your half-lies are so refined
that they look like the truth.

- I try.
- Maybe you do.

But you never quite get there.

I know.

You're empty but capable.

And now you're trying to fill your void
with Karin's extinction.

But how will God fit into that? It must
make him more inscrutable than ever!

Let me ask you something... Can you
control your innermost thoughts?

Fortunately I'm not very complicated.

My world is very simple.
Quite clear and human.

- Still you've wished Karin would die?
- Absolutely not!

Only you could think that.

Can you swear that you've never
thought it? It would be logical...

You know her case is hopeless. And
you know your suffering is pointless.

- She might just as well be dead.
- You are grotesque.

That depends entirely
on your point of view.

503
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,034
I love her.

I'm powerless.

I can only stand and watch -

- as she is transformed into
a poor, tormented creature.

507
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,759
Let me tell you something.
When I was in Switzerland
I decided to kill myself.
I hired a car and found a precipice.
I calmly set out. It was afternoon,
the valley was already in darkness.
I was empty.
No fear, no regrets or expectations.
I set out for the precipice, stepping on
the gas - and stalled, stopping dead.
The gearbox went, you see.
The car slid on the gravel and came
to a halt, front wheels over the edge.
I crawled out of the car, trembling.
I leaned against the rock face
across the road.
I sat yawning for hours
from being short of breath.
Why are you telling me this?
I want to tell you that I no longer have
any front to protect.
The truth won't bring a catastrophe.
- This has nothing to do with Karin.
- I think it does.

00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,195
I don't understand that.

00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,269
Out of my void something was born,
something I can't touch or name.

00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,350
A love...

00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,835
...for Karin... and Minus.

00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,711
And you.

00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,913
One day I may tell you about it.

00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,032
I daren't do it now. But...

00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,589
If it is the way I'm hoping...

00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,196
Let's leave it for now.

The rain is coming now.

00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:21,874
No.
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,517
Yes...

00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,312
The rain's coming!
====================
對牆紙,上帝
384
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,390
Let me show you something.

385
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,029
I walk through walls, you see.
Early every morning I'm woken by
someone calling me in a firm voice.
I rise and come to this room.
One day someone called me
from behind the wallpaper.
I looked in the closet,
but there was no one there.
But the voice went on calling me -
- so I pressed myself against the wall,
and it gave, like foliage -
- and then I was inside.
You think I'm making it up, don't you?
I come into a big room.

395
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,119
It's all light and peaceful.
People are moving up and down.
Some of them talk to me,
so I'll understand.
It's so nice, and I'm safe.
In some of the faces
there's like a shining light.
Everyone is waiting for him to come -
- but no one is anxious.
They say that I can be there too
when it happens!

403
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,516
Why are you crying?

404
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,110
It's nothing.
Nothing to worry about.

But... sometimes I have this
intense yearning.
I yearn for that moment...
...when the door will open...
- ...and all the faces will turn to him.
- Who is he?
No one has said for certain.

But I think it's God
who shall reveal himself to us.
That it will be him coming into
the room, through that door.

413
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,476
Minus...
This isn't easy to say...
- What's that?
- I turn away from 馬丁.
He calls out after me,
but I can't help him.
It becomes play-acting.
- Does he notice anything?
- I'm not sure.
I must choose between him
and the others.
I've made up my mind...
I have sacrificed 馬丁.
- Is all this for real?
- I don't know.
I don't know! I'm caught in the middle,
and sometimes I'm uncertain.
I know I've been ill
and that the illness was like a dream.
But these are not dreams, they're real.
They have to be real!

425
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,154
To me they're not real,
not in the least.
Karin...
- It's not real for me.
- Oh yes...!
A god steps down from the mountain.
He walks through the dark forest...
Everywhere the wild beasts,
in the silence and the darkness.
It has to be real.
I'm not dreaming,
and I'm telling the truth.
Now I'm in one world,
now in the other.

434
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,279
I can't stop it!

435
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,994
Shall we go for a swim?
I'll go on my own then.

I feel sleepy.
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另一個聲音
439
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,754
Close the door when you leave.

440
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,632
Don't do that! Get out! Get out!

441
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,518
What the hell can I do?
該敏感的地方敏感?這句話沒有意義
女生喜歡男生的不敏感,
不敏感,粗糙,男性徵
哪能有什麼深度。
不是那麼壞,但也不是那麼好
而且更偏向於不是那麼好,初次交談
因為無限的可能性,萬里汪洋,反而一瓢不取
我們變成了很好的朋友,「那一定有一個轉折性的地方,事件」
stanley,最真摯的流露,門廊台上招手,笑
我想需求更偉大的東西,藝術,電影,深度,內涵
可是愛情, 難道不是真正偉大的東西
難道衝突?
奇怪,
在那一群里,你已經十分耀眼。
你為什麼不去打工
1:22 黑屋子
光線很重要 不亮的sweden
700
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:13,033
- then Karin is surrounded by God,
since we love her.

701
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,594
Could that help her?

702
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,676
I believe so.爸爸
703
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,672
Dad?

704
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:28,351
- Would you mind if I go for a run?
- Run off. I'll make dinner.

705
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:30,994
See you in an hour.

706
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,473
Dad talked to me.
===============
Es ist Zeit für Rache!"Wir müssen die Juden ausrotten!"
In Through a Glass Darkly, the character Karin conceives of God as a monstrous spider that emerges in her madness and attempts to rape her. In contrast, for her father David "God and love are one and the same phenomenon" (61).
679
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,154
Give me a proof of God!
- You can't.
- Yes, I can.
But you have to listen carefully.
Yes... I need to listen.
I can only give you an indication
of my own hope.
It's knowing that love exists for real
in the human world.
- A special kind of love, I suppose?
- All kinds, Minus.
The highest and the lowest, the most
ridiculous and the most sublime.
All kinds.
- The longing for love?
- Longing and denial.
Doubt and faith.
So love is the proof?
I don't know whether love is proof of
God's existence, or if love is God.
For you, love and God are the same?
I rest my emptiness and dirty
hopelessness in that thought.
Tell me more, Dad!
Suddenly the emptiness
turns into abundance -
- and hopelessness into life.
It's like a reprieve, Minus...
...from a sentence of death.
Dad... if it is as you say -
- then Karin is surrounded by God,
since we love her.
====================
In Through a Glass Darkly, the character Karin conceives of God as a monstrous spider that emerges in her madness and attempts to rape her. In contrast, for her father David "God and love are one and the same phenomenon" (61). Both perspectives appear to be intimately associated with the characters' relationships with family. Karin lives in alienation: her brother Minus is repulsed by her sexuality, and her father David writes in his diary of a fascination with her madness and is prepared to exploit it for the purposes of his writing. Furthermore, Karin's husband 馬丁 finds himself unable to reach her. She describes her relationship with him as "just a game" (43) and is willing to sacrifice him to her image of the emerging god. David even accuses 馬丁 of wishing for Karin's death as a convenient means of escaping the situation. Family relations that could have been a source of comfort for Karin only serve as monstrous and alienating. At the end of the film, Karin is left to struggle in her madness and is taken away by a helicopter first seen as a menacing silhouette in the window. In his screenplay, Bergman describes the helicopter as "a gigantic dark insect" (57), an incarnation of the Spider God coming to claim Karin.
the Spider God manifests as a "dark forest" inhabited by "wild beasts" (43) and reflects Tomas's alienation and fears just as it mirrored Karin's isolation and terror of reality. The consolation achieved by David in Through a Glass Darkly is not possible for Tomas because Tomas is aware of his failings. In his reflections on the film, Bergman himself notes that "His [Tomas's] hell, because he truly believes in hell, is that he recognizes his situation" (265).
She is in darkness; the scene dissolves to Tomas in a matching composition bathed in the glow of an electric lamp. Tomas is her only chance for faith; he is the light in the winter, an interpretation prefigured in the film's opening shots as Tomas at the pulpit is juxtaposed with images of a wintry landscape
David's vision of God is the opposite of Karin's. His life's journey is a difficult one that climaxes in a suicide attempt. The experience results in an ego release and a void subsequently filled with a love for his family. Through this love David develops a conception of God as Love. He relates his belief to his son Minus and explains that it can be used as something to hold on to and that can aid Karin in her torment. Minus is impressed; "Daddy spoke to me!" (61) he says. He feels connected to his father, apprehending the familial and divine love David spoke to him about. Given its weight as the last line of the film, Minus' proclamation seems to stand as a metaphor for a personal connection with God. It is easy to interpret the formulation of God as Love as the message of the film. However, such a message appears rather disingenuous. David and Minus are eased by their vision of love, but Karin has still been left in the jaws of the Spider God, and David's claims of love for his family have done nothing to keep her from this demise. Indeed, 馬丁 had earlier accused David of an insincere faith: "You've got a god you flirt with in your novels, but I can tell you, both your faith and your doubt are equally unconvincing" (45-6). Appropriately, 馬丁 is absent for David's final discourse on love; his presence could have hampered the declaration of faith. We can think of David's God of Love conception as a possibility, a certain view of the world set in opposition to the Spider God thesis. The next film in the trilogy continues examining the struggle between the two views.
should have been sanctified by an Oscar for best foreign film. The movie wouldn抰 stand the ghost of a chance these days, thanks to the ubiquity of the shopping-mall demographic and its corollary, snappy postmodern irony. We in the west no longer feel guilt over our affluent lifestyle枛neither the emptiness of the void nor the need to fill it with a second-hand spirituality. As for art, it抯 a game like everything else, and what we mainly ask of it are prankish, self-referential surfaces that admit the fact. Yet, to a previous generation, Bergman was the real deal枛a stringently ascetic artist who didn抰 just use the film medium as an instrument of personal catharsis, but seemed to suffer Christ-like on the viewer抯 behalf.
As with Bergman抯 other stripped-down liturgies, the movie requires a sustained act of faith from the audience. A single wisecrack, a flickering doubt, and the high-flown edifice of metaphysical gloom instantly crumbles to dust. Yet, only believe, and you have the whole human civilized condition in a tightly impacted nutshell.
Indeed, its portentousness, banked intensity, and recondite symbolism come near to embodying the popular stereotype of the Bergmanesque. Art-house veterans will be seized with nostalgia at the opening credits枛white letters against a funereal black background, while a lonely violoncello drones Bach抯 Suite No. 2 in D Minor. These barren signifiers (which became de rigueur for such later Bergman clones as Woody Allen抯 Interiors and Robert Redford抯 Ordinary People) herald the kind of journey awaiting us. There won抰 be much pleasing scenery on display, because this Lutheran minister抯 son aims to peel off the carnal husk and plumb the unfathomable dark night of the soul.

「我是在白羊座下出生的人。」1849年7月20日,斯特林堡在巴黎寫給朋友的信里說:「這個星座代表的是祭祀。像我這樣勞累一生的人,得到的報酬卻是:被人殺掉。每一次成功帶來的都是痛苦;每一道幸福的痕跡都被惡意誹謗一掃而光;每一種鼓勵都是一種嘲笑;每一種善行都用苦刑進行懲罰。但這也意味著:春天的到來,一種新的東西的出現。誰知道呢?」實際上,這是斯特林堡編造的關於自己的星座運勢。

Here I shall meet her, my bride-elect.
牆紙怪異的圖案在大海的折光中顯得神秘而空洞(大海折光的使用也在影片中出現了四次:莫非是巴赫大提琴的平行運動?)。我讓大衛得出了一個極其可疑的結論:在拷問他自己的死亡時,他發現了對孩子們的重生的愛。我自己在瑞士的恐怖經歷卻什麼結論也沒有。它只是一個死寂的終點。本片結尾卻是米諾斯與父親之間的一段令人費解的對話,其中,米諾斯的最後一句獨白是:「父親跟我說話了!」對此,伯格曼在回憶錄中解釋說,這可能是因為他有點想要說教的味道。加上這些話語是想要說一些影片尚未說出的東西。這似乎暗示著,伯格曼出於對青年人的愛護,不得不給處於崩潰邊緣的米諾斯一點兒安慰。這恐怕也是伯格曼自我批評說「本片中有一種不易察覺的虛假調子」的緣由吧。那時,他與攝影師斯萬·尼克維斯特就光線與照明問題進行了嚴肅的探討。這些討論導向了一種與先前完全不同的電影技術的概念;其結果可以從後來的《冬之光》與《沉默》中看到…這一組曲中有一首神奇的「薩拉班德」,可能是全部組曲中最悲哀的曲子。它有一種特別的真誠與率直,這是一種音樂的脆弱,就像一個全神貫注的祈禱者。你不是為聽眾演奏這段音樂,你是在為你自己演奏——聽眾只是在偷聽,偷看達到白熱化強度的孤獨,和一個完全沉浸在音樂中的藝術家的身影。我經常為那些感到悲哀的人們演奏這首「薩拉班德」。
  譯自:《羅斯特洛波維奇詮釋巴赫》,EMI Classics CD (5 55363 2)伯格曼在其工作手記里以極其精確的語言記錄了這部作品的構思:一個神靈對她說話。她卑微地順從這個她膜拜的神。神是黑暗也是光。有時他給她難以理解的指示,唆使她喝海水,殺死動物等等。但有時他又充滿了愛,並給她最重要的經驗,甚至是在性事方面。他以米諾斯,她弟弟的面目降臨。與此同時,神又迫使她戒絕婚姻。她是一個正在等待新郎的新娘;她決不能被別人玷污。她把米諾斯拖入她的世界。而他則情願地、急切地跟隨著她,因為他仍生活在青春期的邊緣。神卻不信任馬丁與大衛,為了警告她,他使人們對他倆產生錯誤的印象。

= 沈語冰
  巴赫《無伴奏大提琴組曲》第二首,D小調,作品第1008號。這是伯格曼黑白時代最偉大的電影《在黑暗中穿過鏡子》的主題音樂。這首組曲的第四部份「薩拉班德」在影片中出現了四次:片頭作為引子出現;第二部份,女主角偷看父親日記,發現自己患有不治之症,而父親卻能如此冷靜地記下自己的病情發展時;最後一部份,也是全片高潮,當女主角與其弟在擱淺的破船上發生越界悲劇,走向沉淪與毀滅時;以及全片結束時作為尾聲的重現。669
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I'm scared, Dad!

I sat in the wreck, holding Karin,
when reality cracked.

- Do you understand what I mean?
- I understand.

Reality... cracked, and I fell out.

It's like in dreams...

Anything can happen.

Anything!

- I know.
- I can't live in this new world.
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The title derives from a Biblical passage (1 Corinthians 13) in which seeing through a glass darkly refers to our understanding of God when we are alive; the view will only be clear when we die. The Swedish title literally reads as in a mirror quoted from 1917 års bibelöversättning (the 1917 Swedish translation of the Bible).

Karin's illness leads her to have visions ("through a glass darkly") which she believes will culminate in her seeing God, but she is terrified when "God" turns out to be a giant spider (an allusion to Dostoevsky's character Svidrigailov in Crime and Punishment who wonders of the afterlife, "But what if there are only spiders there, or something like that?").   舉報
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